25 replies to this topic

[hwdge]

Do you want it back?

[Hans]

Rosetta?

No.

[playn]

God no. It's time to move on.

[GameGuy]

^ +1

[Hrachya]

NO I want powerpc support so bad! Why not though? Max Payne is powerpc but it's still one of the best games.

[loco]

Dwelling on the past will only hold technology back. Give it a few years, and it'd be like asking computers to support floppy drives again.

[karacho]

that's because i still use snow leopard.
sometime i want to finish myst 5 and i love to play old stuff.

[doh123]

loco, on 12 January 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Dwelling on the past will only hold technology back. Give it a few years, and it'd be like asking computers to support floppy drives again.

Then why make Wine support games that are 10+ years old instead of focusing on only the new stuff?
Rosetta didn't hold anything back... it let you run older things without compromising future stuff... its not like Windows backwards compatibility has usually been.

[devilhunter]

Microsoft's backwards compatibility in Windows is superb. Or least was.
Currently Windows 7 is the worst OS for launching older stuff. 'Can only be launched in administrator mode', 'can only be launched by setting XP mode', 'can simply not be executed' are the errors that are plaguing Windows today.
Also this is why most companies wipe the drive from a newly bought Win7 machine and install XP on it, because their old apps are not working anymore/do not work right anymore.

On the other side, the Windows backwards compatibility is one of the main problems Windows is... Windows.
Legacy Registry, weirdly enumerated components, a Networking concept like a swiss cheese that where every hole has to manually patched.

I've read that Windows 8 will drop most of the legacy stuff, before the Windows code again collapses like a deck of Cards.
Why again? Think Longhorn.
Longhorn was a good concept that was started from scratch, and older stuff had to be imported in like the registry and the backwards compatibility.
Of course, this is why it all collapsed, under the pressure from the old stuff.
This is why Vista was patched together in under a year (and this showed) when the 7 year old Longhorn project gave itself the headshot.


Apple did it right by including a emulator(more like translator) for legacy apps. But old stuff like that bogs down the system and should be shown the door one the deed is done.
Still, Apple could cut of a big slice of the pie that Microsoft is having.
Meaning backwards compatibility in OS X is worse than worse.
To prove this; there are always websites popping up before or after every launch of a mac OS where users can submit 'compatibility' ratings for OSX apps. about 1/3 of apps that worked before do not work anymore on the newer OS X anymore.
Official apps. not the hacked together stuff.

[cluthz]

I still run several PowerPC apps on 10.7, but thru SheepShaver.
SheepShaver will only run os 7.5 thru os 9.1 tho.

Some games are just better with Mac OS then using windows, like Warlords 2 and Civilization 1, since the dos ports wasn't half of what the mac version was.
(Both games can actually run at 1920x1200 res with the Mac OS9, but only 800x600 in dos/dosbox.)

[djblastyfone]

While I hate the thought of not being able to run all my old PPC-only games and applications anymore, I don't think badly of Apple's decision to kill Rosetta in Lion. Why try and maintain support for > 6 year old software that would probably be broken in the latest of OSX anyway?

I'll probably upgrade to Lion soon and just buy a used G4/G5 for whenever I have an itch to play Max Payne or SpyHunter

[MutantPiggy]

Meh. It would be great if it happened, but I feel there are other areas that can be focused on first. I've still got an old Mac-mini with powerpc on it anyway, just in case =)

[smoketetsu]

Hrachya, on 12 January 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

NO I want powerpc support so bad! Why not though? Max Payne is powerpc but it's still one of the best games.

And it's even better in wineskin... especially with the latest wine engines that enable antialiasing. You don't need rosetta for that.

[Hrachya]

smoketetsu, on 20 February 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

And it's even better in wineskin... especially with the latest wine engines that enable antialiasing. You don't need rosetta for that.

Yes you are right... Besides the truth that my CD is at my uncle's whos on the other side of the world, and the downloads are so slow.

[doh123]

Apple is slowly trying to make OSX into iOS... they are stripping out everything besides cocoa. More Carbon has been deprecated in 10.8, along with X11 and such... and nothing in the MAS is allowed to use anything thats deprecated, so they eventually want no one making any mac app unless its completely Cocoa.

[cluthz]

doh123, on 20 February 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

Apple is slowly trying to make OSX into iOS... they are stripping out everything besides cocoa. More Carbon has been deprecated in 10.8, along with X11 and such... and nothing in the MAS is allowed to use anything thats deprecated, so they eventually want no one making any mac app unless its completely Cocoa.

I really dislike where they are going these days. I loved when OSX was released, and even more when they switched to intel HW. Suddenly all apps was possible to run. For a while I was running a full KDE installation under X11 to run apps that didn't exist in OSX.

If things gets as bad as it seems with 10.8, or even worse later on, i'm not afraid to jump off the train and move over to linux.

Also, linux is getting better day by day, and if linux was as good as it is today a few years ago, then i'm not sure if i had been using osx today.
My first linux experience on mac was actually LinuxPPC I got with a G3-300MHz upgrade card from powerlogix for my Umax s900.
I was also using yellow dog linux on my Powerbook G4, which actually was a pretty stable and usable distro on macs back then

[Headrush69]

doh123, on 20 February 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

Apple is slowly trying to make OSX into iOS... they are stripping out everything besides cocoa. More Carbon has been deprecated in 10.8, along with X11 and such... and nothing in the MAS is allowed to use anything thats deprecated, so they eventually want no one making any mac app unless its completely Cocoa.

Wasn't that always the plan anyways, even before iOS arrived? I always though Carbon was just a bridge or stepping stone anyways.

Is X11 deprecated or just not included by default? I was under the impression that they were just pointing to XQuartz for users that need it since it was always more up to date anyways.

cluthz, on 20 February 2012 - 05:39 AM, said:

My first linux experience on mac was actually LinuxPPC I got with a G3-300MHz upgrade card from powerlogix for my Umax s900.

Mine too except I had a StarMax. Seems like decades ago.

[hmtinc]

No powerPc

By bringing back powerPc support is like asking Microsoft to start supporting intel Pentium 4 again.

If apple were to add powerpc support the overall capabilities of mac osx would go down cause apple would have to program the operating system to do less Power heavy operations (i.e. Advance Program features)

Its just dumb to bring back old technology .

Like next you would want computers to start going back to DOS !

Leave the past in the past

[cluthz]

You really gotta fix your sig. It's usually 5 times longer than your posts...
Long sigs doesn't bother me that much when I'm on my desktop, but when a signature takes more than half the screen on my macbook air it's really annoying reading thru threads where you scroll one page, ready two lines, scroll one more page, read three lines...

[HairaideJinMasta]

Remember Classic Environment in Tiger? We need that but for PPC in Lion. That would be cool wouldn't it? Just download and install it straight from app store or as an update from Software Update.

[cluthz]

HairaideJinMasta, on 24 February 2012 - 01:08 AM, said:

Remember Classic Environment in Tiger? We need that but for PPC in Lion. That would be cool wouldn't it? Just download and install it straight from app store or as an update from Software Update.

We do?

[Reboot]

^ My older brother use SheepShaver too.

[HairaideJinMasta]

cluthz, on 24 February 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

We do?

Thats 10.4? Really?

[cluthz]

no its 10.7

[Headrush69]

cluthz, on 25 February 2012 - 05:20 AM, said:

no its 10.7

He was hoping for PPC OS X apps, not PPC Mac OS apps.
(10.x, not 8.x or 9.x)

[HairaideJinMasta]

Headrush69, on 25 February 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

He was hoping for PPC OS X apps, not PPC Mac OS apps.
(10.x, not 8.x or 9.x)

Yes Thank you.