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[NRG]

WS9WineCX16.1.0.tar.7z...

Wineskin's engine obtained by compiling the the source code by codeweavers of his CrossOver Wine version

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it's based on 2.0 right?

[ovvldc]

Yes, see https://www.codeweav...ation/changelog

[RastaFabi]

ovvldc, on 08 February 2017 - 08:32 PM, said:

Yes, see https://www.codeweav...ation/changelog

The source code's VERSION file still says it's based of Wine 1.9.21 and the engines winecfg confirms this.

[ovvldc]

Interesting...

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Probably they had a problem while compiling or used incorrect source? Because 16x branch should be based on 2.0. By the way, 2.1 staging has been released recently, gonna compile tonight

[Incredible Hulk]

NRG, on 07 February 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

WS9WineCX16.1.0.tar.7z...

Wineskin's engine obtained by compiling the the source code by codeweavers of his CrossOver Wine version

This version works much better than 16.0 but there are still glitches with csmt in many games.

[Incredible Hulk]

I got CSMT working without flickering and glithes with 16.1 by adding "MaxVersionGL" DWORD with value 30002 (or 40001 if card support OpenGL 4.1) to registry?
https://wiki.winehq....l_Registry_Keys

[dankoB]

I'm pretty sure the GL key entry will only work on Linux based OSs. Mac only supports OpenGL 3.2 in Wine as far as I know....could be wrong, I couldn't find a definitive answer when I searched it out.

[ovvldc]

Most modern GPUs should expose OpenGL 4.1 on Mac OS. At least if we can believe this: https://developer.ap...l/capabilities/
But maybe they only use 3.2?

[Brainzyy]

ovvldc, on 17 February 2017 - 09:09 PM, said:

Most modern GPUs should expose OpenGL 4.1 on Mac OS. At least if we can believe this: https://developer.ap...l/capabilities/
But maybe they only use 3.2?

dankoB, on 17 February 2017 - 07:59 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure the GL key entry will only work on Linux based OSs. Mac only supports OpenGL 3.2 in Wine as far as I know....could be wrong, I couldn't find a definitive answer when I searched it out.

As far as I know, Wine can't use OpenGL 4.1 on macOS because of apple's drivers. Apple has been behind on OpenGL development for a while. This is the same reason that Directx11 doesn't work on macOS (not properly anyway).

EDIT: AFAIK the 30002 key can still help in some rare cases. (and AFAIK the 40001 key is pretty useless on macOS)

[doh123]

Apple has no intentions of improving or continuing to support full OpenGL.  They still look at OpenGL ES some with iOS, but they are trying to go ahead with Metal only in the future... Not sure we'll ever have a Metal driver for Wine.  Don't count on OpenGL ever going past where it is, and maybe even vanishing in a few years.

[ovvldc]

I would like to see Apple refactor their OpenGL / OpenGL ES drivers to work on top of of Metal, much like MoltenGL/MoltenVK (could even buy those and start from there). That would reduce maintenance cost and complexity on the long term. On the other hand, Apple may feel it isn't worth the investment.

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ovvldc, on 24 February 2017 - 09:24 AM, said:

I would like to see Apple refactor their OpenGL / OpenGL ES drivers to work on top of of Metal, much like MoltenGL/MoltenVK (could even buy those and start from there). That would reduce maintenance cost and complexity on the long term. On the other hand, Apple may feel it isn't worth the investment.

It's not about the cost. It's a strategic decision, so they all in for Metal, OpenGL eventually will be phased out very soon.

[Incredible Hulk]

Gurqn, on 24 February 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

It's not about the cost. It's a strategic decision, so they all in for Metal, OpenGL eventually will be phased out very soon.

At least for Your GTX980; shiny, speedy, bright and metallic MacOs future might come some day.
Looking at other members graphic cards, it doesn't look so promising

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Incredible Hulk, on 24 February 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:

At least for Your GTX980; shiny, speedy, bright and metallic MacOs future might come some day.
Looking at other members graphic cards, it doesn't look so promising

LoL !

Awaiting AMD Vega to hit markets, I'm gonna switch to the Vega once it's confirmed for Hackintosh

[Brainzyy]

Apple just doesn't like other companies. They like to have their own proprietary stuff. (Look at Thunderbolt and stuff)

[NRG]

regarding OpenGL and directX11:


CodeWeavers staff members said:

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Wine has been working on DirectX 11 for a few years now.  CodeWeavers is the driving force behind that effort, and DirectX 11 is a major focus for us.  At present, DX11 is not sufficiently advanced in Wine to allow many modern DX11 games to run.

A major blocker for DX11 is that very many of our customers are macOS users, and Apple's OpenGL does not provide the features necessary to implement full DirectX 11 support on macOS.

Apple provides a graphics API called Metal, distinct from OpenGL, which it claims will receive updates in the future and will be more suitable as a basis for DX11 than the old version of OpenGL which remains available on macOS.  We are working to determine whether DX11 can be implemented on top of Metal.  We are hopeful for that future.  The need to re-implement much of Wine's D3D for macOS means that DX11 is less advanced that we would like as of today.  Those features of DX11 which exist in Wine are present in CrossOver, but we do not yet tout it as something which will run the majority of games.  We are working on that and would like very much to announce it in a future release.

The bottom line is that currently some Direct3D 11 applications will work on Linux, but generally not on MacOS.

With Apple's current focus on Metal they seem to have abandoned support for modern OpenGL features, and CrossOver/Wine requires those in order to support modern Direct3D.

Some people may remember Blizzard running into a similar situation with Overwatch. We're investigating options for integrating Metal support, but there are some disadvantages inherent to using a proprietary API on a proprietary OS.

source: https://www.codeweav...t=27;msg=188503

[Incredible Hulk]

Online dx11 installer is not working but dx 2010 SDK can be installed.
Is this enough for trying and has anyone, anytime successfully run anything dx10/11 on Mac?

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Incredible Hulk, on 25 February 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

Online dx11 installer is not working but dx 2010 SDK can be installed.
Is this enough for trying and has anyone, anytime successfully run anything dx10/11 on Mac?

I have tested "banished" city building game, however, dx11 didn't appear under graphics section (tested with 2.2 staging). You may have tested that or following game (it's an online game) https://www.reddit.c...ow_works_under/