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#91 Siwi

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 04:30 AM

i dont know if you guys use this, but i think some of you do. I have a gaming rig that i am looking to put snow leopard on. I know nothing about how to even start aside from the research ive already done.
my rig consists of

Cpu: Amd phenom x4 (im not sure the exact model number, but i can easily find it if neccesary.)
i know alot of people will so woah woah woah hackintosh is for intel only, but from what ive gathered there is a less stable amd solution available.

Ram: 2x4gb of corsair ddr3

Video: Ati radeon hd 6850 1gb

hdd: 256 gb ssd with a 3Tb usb external hdd

motherboard: biostar A55MH(i dont know much about it, my brother built it)

if you see anything that wont work, or if you have any advice that would be great
if you need more info just ask

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 04:41 AM

AMD Phenom X4 CPU... It's really very hard and pain for me. Mac OS X can't run on AMD CPU because of kernel. I tried it. I have HackBook Pro with AMD Phenom X2 3.1GHz. It can't force 64-bit with two cores in new update Mac OS X 10.6.7. I updated perfectly and latest AMD kernel but it don't works. I gave up. Only I uses older version of Mac OS X can works on AMD CPU. I have no idea people got AMD CPU working on Mac OS X. You need download and install latest AMD kernel on Mac OS X with force 64-bit flag. It can load on your AMD computer.

I don't recommend AMD CPU for Hackintosh. Intel CPU is always working perfectly on Hackintosh because Mac OS X have official Intel drivers by Apple.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 04:46 AM

the problem is, i have the amd processor and i cant afford to switch to intel. my mac book just doesnt have the power i want

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 04:57 AM

I knew Intel is always expensive. Did you asked InsanelyMac Forum? http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/ (It's best forum hackintosh.)

Btw, Don't ask tonymacx86 forum. They won't help you because they don't support AMD CPU anymore.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 05:01 AM

First AMD Sucks . Just pointing it out

Next , if you really want to hackintosh that build you will first need to check the hackintosh HCL
http://wiki.osx86pro...x.php/Main_Page

ok after that you will need something like iboot for AMD processors . So you should look into EMPIRE-EFI
http://prasys.info/tag/empire-efi/
unlike tony mac86 they support AMD and have a wide variety of customized boot loaders ,drivers ,etc for AMD hardware :D

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 05:06 AM

View Posthmtinc, on 11 July 2012 - 05:01 AM, said:

ok after that you will need something like iboot for AMD processors . So you should look into EMPIRE-EFI
EMPIRE-EFI don't works for me and my crappy AMD CPU. I made my own bootloader with iboot part. It's *worked with my crappy AMD CPU. It's better than EMPIRE-EFI and iBoot for me.

Edited by Reboot, 11 July 2012 - 05:19 AM.


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Posted 11 July 2012 - 05:12 AM

@Reboot, did you get it working? i thought above youd said it didnt work, but it kinda sounds like you do have it working

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 05:17 AM

Yeah, Only old Mac OS X 10.6.4 working with flag 62-Bit mode and 2 cores. BUT I can't update it anymore. New Mac OS X 10.6.6 or later won't force 62-Bit mode and 2 cores for me. I tried to fixed it many times. I gave up last year. I can't live without 10.6.7. I'm now Windows User back.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 03:25 PM

Save up, sell your amd cpu, and get an i3 sandy bridge. Problem solved

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 03:47 PM

Or save up for a 2500k which is a pretty solid sandybridge cpu and should be able to take on any game you throw at it. An i3 is more for office computers that don't do much. An i5 2500k and an a nice z77 board will get you pretty far and also in the future you see that you don't have enough power for what you want you can upgrade to a more powerful ivy cpu as long as it has the same socket (2500k is a 1155 socket).

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 03:48 PM

View PostReboot, on 11 July 2012 - 05:17 AM, said:

Yeah, Only old Mac OS X 10.6.4 working with flag 62-Bit mode and 2 cores. BUT I can't update it anymore. New Mac OS X 10.6.6 or later won't force 62-Bit mode and 2 cores for me. I tried to fixed it many times. I gave up last year. I can't live without 10.6.7. I'm now Windows User back.

AMD needs a custom patched kernel, that is why your update failed.

The best choice for an AMD hack is 10.6.8, as it's been out awhile there should be properly patched kernels available and there is no problems with updates, since there probably won't be any kernel updates to 10.6.8 anymore.


However Radeon 6850 is a card that is very easy to get to work, it will most likely work out of the box.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 03:57 PM

I said:

View PostReboot, on 11 July 2012 - 04:41 AM, said:

I updated perfectly and latest AMD kernel but it don't works. I gave up.

No luck for my AMD CPU X2. :/ I found that kernel from http://blog.nawcom.com/

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 07:12 PM

alright well ,im going to give it a try today, ill let you know the results

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 09:59 PM

quick question. Will bootcamp work if i get it hackintosh working. I still want my windows partition to play games that wine doesnt support

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 10:11 PM

Do you mean Dual-Boot?

Partition = Bad.
It's hard. Mac OS X may can break Windows partition. I tried it. I don't recommend two partition in one hard drive.

Two Hard Drives = Good.
BootLoader can boot Windows from another Hard Drive. I recommend two hard drives cuz they are easy. If you are new hackintosh first time.


Btw, Boot Camp is designed for any Mac computers Intel-Based only, not PC computers.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 10:30 PM

i found this, its to late for me to try it today, but ill try tommorow. Let me know what you think about it

http://www.macbreake...leopard-on.html

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:28 PM

But Multibeast and iBoot don't support AMD CPU... You know they are created by tonymacx86. You need iBoot Legacy, nawcom's ModCD, and something. Better read this http://www.macbreake...kintoshing.html It's helpful for AMD user..

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:51 PM

hmm, i may try to get a mobo on the list of working ones, and a intel processor. Im thinking my mobo is some wierd brand that no one has
maybe i can sell the SSD :P cost $400

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 04:07 AM

View PostFr33k, on 11 July 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

hmm, i may try to get a mobo on the list of working ones, and a intel processor. Im thinking my mobo is some wierd brand that no one has
maybe i can sell the SSD :P cost $400
You are in USA right? Newegg, best friends for combos..

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 01:11 PM

yup

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 05:05 PM

View PostFr33k, on 12 July 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

yup
here you go: http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.988699

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 07:15 PM

View Postnjnick3, on 12 July 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

Are intel i3's really that powerful? I dont want to sacrifice the ability to play demanding games just so i can get mac on it.
intel 2000 graphics for onboard. Compatible with hackintosh? i read somewhere that lion wont work with it or something?

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 07:25 PM

Sound like 2011 computer. Intel Core i3-2100 + NVIDIA GeForce 520 = really good but they are made in 2011. See video. http://www.youtube.c...etailpage#t=91s

If you have AMD Radeon HD 6850 1GB video card (Sure make main video card). Mac OS X will not use Intel HD 2000 as main video card anymore.

Edit: I found someone who have same Intel Core i3-2100 CPU. He is hackintosh user. http://portingteam.c...ruck-simulator/ See specs.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 07:59 PM

i think i can get around 400-500 dollars for the motherboard, cpu, and hdd if i can sell it all. that should be enough to get a better processor, like i5

CPU: i5 2500k 3.3Ghz 4 core = about what i have now prolly a little better    200$

Mobo: some kind of gigabyte version, i havent picked yet. prolly one of the working list on one of the hackintosh forums 100$

HDD: 1 TB seagate ~100$

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 02:34 AM

View PostFr33k, on 12 July 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

i think i can get around 400-500 dollars for the motherboard, cpu, and hdd if i can sell it all. that should be enough to get a better processor, like i5

CPU: i5 2500k 3.3Ghz 4 core = about what i have now prolly a little better 200$

Mobo: some kind of gigabyte version, i havent picked yet. prolly one of the working list on one of the hackintosh forums 100$

HDD: 1 TB seagate ~100$
I'm personally thinking z77 dsh3 and 3570k, same hdd

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 03:29 AM

i just sold my mother board cpu and ram for 160, but that ssd is going to be a pain to sell because no one is looking for a ssd that big

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 04:56 AM

The best mobo atm seems to be the Gigabyte Z77-DS3H (not D3H!!), no DSDT editing needed as the UEFI is compatible!
THe D3H works too, but sound is not properly supported, but if you have an USB sound card you can save a few bucks.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 02:29 PM

View PostFr33k, on 13 July 2012 - 03:29 AM, said:

i just sold my mother board cpu and ram for 160, but that ssd is going to be a pain to sell because no one is looking for a ssd that big
Keep the ssd as a boot drive it will allow for your hackintosh to boot up faster
And then get a 1tb drive for data storage such applications

Oh donT get a i3 it's really not for gaming . If you can't afford a i7 then i5 is your best option
And if you can't get any of the i series processors then even a intel core duo 3.06ghz or 4.00ghz is better then a i3.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 02:35 PM

View Posthmtinc, on 13 July 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

Keep the ssd as a boot drive it will allow for your hackintosh to boot up faster
And then get a 1tb drive for data storage such applications

Oh donT get a i3 it's really not for gaming . If you can't afford a i7 then i5 is your best option

An i3-21xx is comparable to a ~3.5GHz Core 2 Duo and is capable of running most games perfectly well.
Although a i5 with quad will be a lot more future proof.

My guess is that a i5-2500k will run games without being bottle neck until 2015 at least.
My 3.16GHz Core 2 Dou (oc to 4.oGHz) was top of the line 2008, and it's still going great in new games!

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 02:43 PM

View Postcluthz, on 13 July 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:



An i3-21xx is comparable to a ~3.5GHz Core 2 Duo and is capable of running most games perfectly well.
Although a i5 with quad will be a lot more future proof.

My guess is that a i5-2500k will run games without being bottle neck until 2015 at least.
My 3.16GHz Core 2 Dou (oc to 4.oGHz) was top of the line 2008, and it's still going great in new games!
But you can get. Intel core duo for very cheap these days. So a core 2 duo whould save him $$$$

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 04:21 PM

View Posthmtinc, on 13 July 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

Keep the ssd as a boot drive it will allow for your hackintosh to boot up faster
And then get a 1tb drive for data storage such applications
I dont have the money to keep the ssd, i have to sell it in order to get a motherboard and CPU. I think ill buy a smaller one, maybe 40-60GB tho.
What about an intel core 2 quad? that would be quad core, and its alot cheaper than i5
http://www.amazon.co...tel core 2 quad

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 04:24 PM

View PostFr33k, on 13 July 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

I dont have the money to keep the ssd, i have to sell it in order to get a motherboard and CPU. I think ill buy a smaller one, maybe 40-60GB tho.
What about an intel core 2 quad? that would be quad core, and its alot cheaper than i5
http://www.amazon.co...tel core 2 quad
Quad is the same as core 2 duo except quad has 4 cores .  But 4 cores only means it can do 4 things at once and its only 2.5ghz . I am no expert on processors so i don't really know what you should get . but you may want to look into intel core 2 duo 3.16ghz http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/B007MSP2GA
Its the same processor cluthz on his hackintosh . so he should be able to help you with building a hack with it :D  .

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 04:27 PM

Make sure you get 64bit, 32bit is being dropped in 10.8!

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 04:32 PM

View Postnjnick3, on 13 July 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Make sure you get 64bit, 32bit is being dropped in 10.8!
I am pretty sure all newer intel core 2 duo processors are 64 bit

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 04:34 PM

Intel Core 2 Duo is now 64-bit processor anymore because 64-bit requires dual-core. That's it.

I hate dual-core.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 04:44 PM

View Posthmtinc, on 13 July 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

Quad is the same as core 2 duo except quad has 4 cores .  But 4 cores only means it can do 4 things at once and its only 2.5ghz . I am no expert on processors so i don't really know what you should get . but you may want to look into intel core 2 duo 3.16ghz http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/B007MSP2GA
Its the same processor cluthz on his hackintosh . so he should be able to help you with building a hack with it :D  .
190$ for a intel core 2 duo.....i could just get an i5 for that much
http://www.amazon.co...ywords=intel i5

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 05:29 PM

ill have to look at my money situation. Where did you guys find the newegg bundles with the mobo and processor? i want to look at those

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 05:47 PM

View PostFr33k, on 13 July 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

ill have to look at my money situation. Where did you guys find the newegg bundles with the mobo and processor? i want to look at those

CPU + mobo deals:
http://www.newegg.co...Us-Motherboards


As for C2D, not worth it anymore, a decent C2D + mobo is gonna cost like $100 less than a new Z77 mobo + Core i5.

It's worth it getting "K" models like 2500k or 3570k, since i5 can be over clocked +700-1500 mhz with ease and not loosing stability with a $25 cooler.

Gigabyte mobs are preferred in the hackintosh community because most stuff on them work out of the box.
As previously stated, the Gigabyte Z77-DS3H seems to be the best board around and everything should work 100%
I5-2500K and i5-3570K gives best performance for the money.

Mobo:
Z77-DS3H http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813128547
Cpus:
i5- 2500k http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115072
i5- 3570k http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116504

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 05:51 PM

ok the mobo you posted is actually cheaper than the one i was looking at.
The 2500k to 3570k is like $15 more. Is that worth it? are you actually getting more?

Thoughts on this one?
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115074

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 07:49 PM

View PostFr33k, on 13 July 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

ok the mobo you posted is actually cheaper than the one i was looking at.
The 2500k to 3570k is like $15 more. Is that worth it? are you actually getting more?

Thoughts on this one?
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115074

3570K is about 5-10% faster, but hotter when OC, so they are just about equal.
i5-2400 is a nice CPU, but it cannot OC, earlier you could kinda OC all CPUs, but now you need a "K" model to OC.
As previously stated, a 2500K runs safe on 4.0-4.4GHz, and people are pushing them to 4.8GHz and with extreme cooling 5.0GHz. The i5-2400 will always be 3.1 GHz (well with blck tweaking you might get 3.3GHz, but that is a less reliable OC)

A 3.1GHz i5 will be more than enough now, but down the road you might regret saving money when a 2500k could have run at 4.4GHz, it's quite a big difference.
The "K" models are meant to be OC'ed from intel, so with proper cooling (a $25 cooler is enough) don't worry about going to 4.3-4.4GHz.

On a side note, you will need to run 10.7 since 10.6 support on new i5/i7 is limited.

Also, I do not own a z77 board or i5 CPU, but from various forums they claim that this is one of the easiest build to make running ever.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 07:49 PM

View PostFr33k, on 13 July 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

ok the mobo you posted is actually cheaper than the one i was looking at.
The 2500k to 3570k is like $15 more. Is that worth it? are you actually getting more?

Thoughts on this one?
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115074
Will you be using your graphics card? is 15$ = to 15% performance and power savings?

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 07:55 PM

i will be keeping and using my amd radeon 6850 1GB. So yes it would be worth to pay a bit more.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115074

is this good?

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 07:58 PM

View PostFr33k, on 13 July 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

i will be keeping and using my amd radeon 6850 1GB. So yes it would be worth to pay a bit more.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115074

is this good?
Just go for 2500k, so much better down the road.
You don't want to have to buy a new cpu every 3 years, but every 5

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:22 PM

View Postnjnick3, on 13 July 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Just go for 2500k, so much better down the road.
You don't want to have to buy a new cpu every 3 years, but every 5

alright. anyone wanna buy a 256GB ssd  :P $325

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:25 PM

View PostFr33k, on 13 July 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

alright. anyone wanna buy a 256GB ssd  :P $325
ebay

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:26 PM

I'll be surprised if you can get $325 for a 256GB ssd...maybe $260 to $280 but not $325.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:17 PM

View PostGameGuy, on 13 July 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

I'll be surprised if you can get $325 for a 256GB ssd...maybe $260 to $280 but not $325.
Alright i never use my PS3, it just sits there. Ill keep the ssd and sell the PS3 (should be an easy sell) and i should be able to get more than $300 for what i have.

Ill get
CPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116504

MOBO: I have this case the white version
http://www.nzxt.com/...ource_210_elite
it says on the case website thats its mini-atx and atx
and i think this is an atx motherboard
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813128547
will it fit?

RAM: 2 x 4GB sticks that will work with the Motherboard

VIDEO: Amd Radeon 6850 1GB

HDD: 256 GB SSD and 1TB Seagate

I also have a corsair 500 watt power supply. Will i need to upgrade to run all this?



And thank you all of you for helping me with this. :D

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 02:56 AM

View PostFr33k, on 13 July 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Alright i never use my PS3, it just sits there. Ill keep the ssd and sell the PS3 (should be an easy sell) and i should be able to get more than $300 for what i have.

Ill get


I also have a corsair 500 watt power supply. Will i need to upgrade to run all this?



well Both AMD & Intel recommend a 500 watt power supply as a minimum requirement for the graphics and processor you have chosen .
Although since the i5 and the ATI  graphics card you have chosen both recommend 500watt as a minimum system requirement . I am not sure how much power they would consume . A 500 watt supply should work for your needs . But to be on the safe sides i would go for 550 watt at least :P

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 03:19 AM

http://www.tonymacx8...t=66793&start=0


this guy has this same setup, i dont have ram picked yet
so i may have to upgrade my psu?
second opinion?

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 07:06 AM

View PostFr33k, on 13 July 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:


Alright i never use my PS3, it just sits there. Ill keep the ssd and sell the PS3 (should be an easy sell) and i should be able to get more than $300 for what i have.

Ill get
CPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116504

MOBO: I have this case the white version
http://www.nzxt.com/...ource_210_elite
it says on the case website thats its mini-atx and atx
and i think this is an atx motherboard
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813128547
will it fit?

RAM: 2 x 4GB sticks that will work with the Motherboard

VIDEO: Amd Radeon 6850 1GB

HDD: 256 GB SSD and 1TB Seagate

I also have a corsair 500 watt power supply. Will i need to upgrade to run all this?



And thank you all of you for helping me with this. :D
Sell the SSD, you will just buy another ps3 when the last of us comes out. Sell your psu and get a solid 600watt

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 07:15 AM

View PostFr33k, on 13 July 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Alright i never use my PS3, it just sits there. Ill keep the ssd and sell the PS3 (should be an easy sell) and i should be able to get more than $300 for what i have.

Ill get
CPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116504

MOBO: I have this case the white version
http://www.nzxt.com/...ource_210_elite
it says on the case website thats its mini-atx and atx
and i think this is an atx motherboard
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813128547
will it fit?
yes

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RAM: 2 x 4GB sticks that will work with the Motherboard

VIDEO: Amd Radeon 6850 1GB

HDD: 256 GB SSD and 1TB Seagate

I also have a corsair 500 watt power supply. Will i need to upgrade to run all this?
no
Ivy Bridge uses little power, Even with a modest OC (4Ghz) it uses like 100w on full load.
The 6850 is about 130w
That leaves you 270w for mobo, disks and USB devices.
At full load you'll have your PSU at around 80% I guess, which is ok.

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And thank you all of you for helping me with this. :D
you're welcome

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 01:45 PM

ill lose to much money if i sell the ssd, i might as well just keep it. It will take months to sell too.
i was thinking this for ram too

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145332



View Postcluthz, on 14 July 2012 - 07:15 AM, said:


no
Ivy Bridge uses little power, Even with a modest OC (4Ghz) it uses like 100w on full load.


I dont plan on overclocking now. Maybe in the future

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:33 PM

View PostFr33k, on 14 July 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

i was thinking this for ram too

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145332

You might want to buy 4 x 4GB Ram sticks since the Z77 board you have chosen hasn't got Tri-Channel memory, but Dual-Channel memory. (The ram kit you selected is a triple channel kit). If you buy that and encounter RAM problems then the worst scenario is that you will only be able to use 2 out of the 3 ram sticks (unless the ram is just faulty).

I'd recommend buying two of these if you want 16gb RAM (even though 8GB of 1600mhz ram should be fine)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820104262

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 06:13 PM

View PostDanIsTheMan, on 14 July 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

You might want to buy 4 x 4GB Ram sticks since the Z77 board you have chosen hasn't got Tri-Channel memory, but Dual-Channel memory. (The ram kit you selected is a triple channel kit). If you buy that and encounter RAM problems then the worst scenario is that you will only be able to use 2 out of the 3 ram sticks (unless the ram is just faulty).

I'd recommend buying two of these if you want 16gb RAM (even though 8GB of 1600mhz ram should be fine)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820104262

Yes i posted my specs on tonymacx86 and they told me the same thing.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145315
they said this would work, but i do want more so i think i may get 16GB that you suggested

however, i think ill start off by just buying one pack and in the future i can upgrade

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 06:52 PM

Go with 8GB, for gaming the difference between 8GB and 16GB is zero. I wouldn't bother too much about 1333 vs 1600mhz either, the real world difference between them are less than 5%

I only have 6GB and there is only a very few games that use 4GB, and that leaves 2GB for system, safari and iTunes, which is enough today, and I'm pretty sure 8GB will suffice for the next year or two, unless you start with big time video editing or 3D modeling.

Don't buy very tall sticks, as they sometimes are too high for some aftermarket coolers.

As for OC, 3Ghz is enough today on a quad, but in two years you might regret that you didn't spend $30 to get a CPU that can be run at 4GHz+.

tonymacx86 is a very good site, the people there are helpful and knowledgeable, I have gotten most of my info from there when I have built hacks.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 07:23 PM

ok im going to put all of this together

CPU: i5 3570k
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116504

MOBO: Gigabyte GA-z77 DS3H
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813128547

RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820104262

Video: Amd Radeon HD 6850 1GB
already have it

HDD: Samsun 256GB ssd. I need a 1TB 6.0 Gb/s 7200rpm hdd that isnt a complete piece of poop. Im trying to find one for under $100

After that, i should be good. I may have to get a compatible sound card or wifi card down the road if mine dont end up working, but ill address that later

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 07:31 PM

try a caviar blue for a 7200rpm drive...I got a 6GB/s sata 3 1TB caviar blue for $89

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 08:19 PM

View PostFr33k, on 14 July 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

ok im going to put all of this together

CPU: i5 3570k
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116504

MOBO: Gigabyte GA-z77 DS3H
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813128547

RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820104262

Video: Amd Radeon HD 6850 1GB
already have it

HDD: Samsun 256GB ssd. I need a 1TB 6.0 Gb/s 7200rpm hdd that isnt a complete piece of poop. Im trying to find one for under $100

After that, i should be good. I may have to get a compatible sound card or wifi card down the road if mine dont end up working, but ill address that later

THe DS3H has a very good onboard Soundcard, it's fully OSX compatible (the D3H models have weaker sound, that is why DS3H is better).

SInce you have a good SSD, you kinda only need a storage disk and even a 5400RPM disk should suffice (note, desktop 5400rpm is on par with laptop 7200RPM disk in speed.) SATA 3.0 vs 6.0 does not matter on HDs as no HD is faster than 3.0 anyways..

for $100 you can get a 1.5TB and 2TB as low as $120.

Keep in mind that a hack can have issues booting from a drive bigger than 1TB, so if you get a 2TB drive (or 1.5TB), make two partitions of maximum 1TB each.


Also, when you are installing OSX on a hack, only use 4GB, after installation, add the last stick for 8GB.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 08:24 PM

View Postcluthz, on 14 July 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Keep in mind that a hack can have issues booting from a drive bigger than 1TB, so if you get a 2TB drive (or 1.5TB), make two partitions of maximum 1TB each.
Im going to be using the ssd as the boot drive. The 1tb or 2tb would be for storage (games, apps, movies etc)




View Postcluthz, on 14 July 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Also, when you are installing OSX on a hack, only use 4GB, after installation, add the last stick for 8GB.
Do you know a good simple guide i can follow once i get everything together. And i know you said earlier that SL is hard to do, but thats all i have at the moment.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 08:48 PM

View PostFr33k, on 14 July 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

Im going to be using the ssd as the boot drive. The 1tb or 2tb would be for storage (games, apps, movies etc)

Do you know a good simple guide i can follow once i get everything together. And i know you said earlier that SL is hard to do, but thats all i have at the moment.

Do yourself a favor and get 2TB, the price diff is 90 vs 120.

There are many guides on tonymac, look around.  Lion is $29 on appstore and the z77 chipset is better on Lion. If you plan on using SL, you should consider a z68 board instead of z77, but you should use a i5-2xxx on z68 for best compatibility.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 09:06 PM

ok, i guess i can upgrade to lion. That means i can upgrade my laptop too. Or would it be worth it just wait for Mountain Lion. Unless you have to buy lion anyways to get mountain lion

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 09:31 PM

Nah, you don't need Lion. You can upgrade Mountain Lion from Snow Leopard.

Apple said:

If you are running Snow Leopard (10.6.x), update to the latest version of OS X Snow Leopard before you purchase OS X Mountain Lion from the Mac App Store. Click the Apple icon and choose Software Update to install Snow Leopard v10.6.8, the latest version.
http://www.apple.com...how-to-upgrade/

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 09:59 PM

View PostReboot, on 14 July 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

Nah, you don't need Lion. You can upgrade Mountain Lion from Snow Leopard.


http://www.apple.com...how-to-upgrade/
ya, it comes out in like 15 days, ill wait

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:11 PM

View PostFr33k, on 14 July 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

ya, it comes out in like 15 days, ill wait

Well, my experiences is that first release is always a bit buggy, so I wouldn't update to 10.8 just yet.
10.7 had some issues with several things until 10.7.2/3

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:12 PM

View Postcluthz, on 14 July 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Well, my experiences is that first release is always a bit buggy, so I wouldn't update to 10.8 just yet.
10.7 had some issues with several things until 10.7.2/3

I most likely wont get the system together for a while. I still have to sell my PS3 and i dont know how long that will take

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 11:27 PM

One more quick question. The intel cpu has intel hd 4000 graphics. Will there be a way for me to switch between my main card and that intel part?
i know you can do it on the larger macbooks

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 11:35 PM

You're better off sticking with your main AMD GPU, if you try to get Intel HD 4000 working as well as a 6850 then some problems might arise. You'll only need to use your 6850 anyway, its much better for gaming/graphics than a HD 4000

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 11:50 PM

View PostDanIsTheMan, on 14 July 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

You're better off sticking with your main AMD GPU, if you try to get Intel HD 4000 working as well as a 6850 then some problems might arise. You'll only need to use your 6850 anyway, its much better for gaming/graphics than a HD 4000
I will want to use it to test my wrappers to see if it works on intel too. If its not possible, then thats fine too

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 03:34 AM

wait doesn't the new intel ivy bridge processor s require a different process to install mac osx. Since SL doesn't support the 3rd gen intel CPUs and HD 4000 graphics .

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 05:11 AM

View PostFr33k, on 14 July 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

Im going to be using the ssd as the boot drive. The 1tb or 2tb would be for storage (games, apps, movies etc)





Do you know a good simple guide i can follow once i get everything together. And i know you said earlier that SL is hard to do, but thats all i have at the moment.
Go for Mountain lion when it comes out, install it on your current mac and when it comes out you will have full ivy bridge support.
SL doesn't even have that many advantages to lion, why didn't you already upgrade? Regardless it is 20$ on any OS (SL or Lion)

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 09:45 AM

View Posthmtinc, on 15 July 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

wait doesn't the new intel ivy bridge processor s require a different process to install mac osx. Since SL doesn't support the 3rd gen intel CPUs and HD 4000 graphics .

There is a "bridge helper" made by tonymac, it's included in multi beast, was originally made for sandy, but i think it works well with ivy too.
The difference between supported and not is that some features doesn't work, like turbo boost / speed step and so fort, and you can install usually and fix after.

View Postnjnick3, on 15 July 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

Go for Mountain lion when it comes out, install it on your current mac and when it comes out you will have full ivy bridge support.
SL doesn't even have that many advantages to lion, why didn't you already upgrade? Regardless it is 20$ on any OS (SL or Lion)

I still use 10.6, for me it has some advantages, especially if you've been a long time mac users and still own apps that are PPC code. I would not upgrade to ML just yet, it might still need some tweaking especially for hacks, since apple doesn't test hardware they don't support. If you own a mac, running the newest version is usually not a problem, but it often takes a bit before people like tonymac and others get hacked drivers 100% compatible.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:06 AM

while we are on the topic of hackintosh's
i have a question .
I am thinking of building a custom pc since i got rid of my old one .
are these components  hackable to run Mac osx ?
http://www.tigerdire...12FDF85&Desc=pc

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:41 AM

View Posthmtinc, on 16 July 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

while we are on the topic of hackintosh's
i have a question .
I am thinking of building a custom pc since i got rid of my old one .
are these components  hackable to run Mac osx ?
http://www.tigerdire...12FDF85&Desc=pc

GTX 680 is apparently only supported in mountain lion, you might want to wait till mountain lion is fully compatible for hackintoshing i guess. You should throw in a little SSD if you can. Also, is the 16gb of 1866MHz ram really necessary? Seems kinda like overkill lol. 1600mhz or even 1333mhz for 16gb would be fine.

I'd recommend a Corsair HX/AX series or OCZ ZX/ModXStream PSU, I got 7 years warranty with my HX850W.

You are also missing a CPU cooler which will most likely take up some room in the case too.

SOURCE For 680 info

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 01:20 AM

View PostDanIsTheMan, on 16 July 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

GTX 680 is apparently only supported in mountain lion, you might want to wait till mountain lion is fully compatible for hackintoshing i guess.

i remember reading somewhere on tonmac86x that 680 is supported on mac osx 10.7.4 and all you have to do is copy over the drivers from a retnia MBP .
anyway if it doesn't work with lion , i will install SL and upgrade to ML using intel hd 4000 and them after every thing it set up i will switch to GTX 680 :D  

View PostDanIsTheMan, on 16 July 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

You should throw in a little SSD if you can.
for the hard drive i  might just end up getting 2 1tb drives ( One for windows and one for mac osx) . I don't really need a SSD . I don't really care about boot times and for the cost of a ssd it really isn't worth it . In the future i might buy a SSD when they are cheaper.

View PostDanIsTheMan, on 16 July 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

Also, is the 16gb of 1866MHz ram really necessary? Seems kinda like overkill lol. 1600mhz or even 1333mhz for 16gb would be fine.
I like over kill :P   LoL
actually i chose that specific ram because the MOBO supports 1866MHz ram and i want 16gb because i might use the machine for more then just gaming (animation , video editing) .

View PostDanIsTheMan, on 16 July 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

You are also missing a CPU cooler which will most likely take up some room in the case too.
Nah , don't have the cash . I think i will stick with the stock fan that comes with the processor till i can afford a better one :P

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 05:27 AM

View Posthmtinc, on 16 July 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

i remember reading somewhere on tonmac86x that 680 is supported on mac osx 10.7.4 and all you have to do is copy over the drivers from a retnia MBP .
anyway if it doesn't work with lion , i will install SL and upgrade to ML using intel hd 4000 and them after every thing it set up i will switch to GTX 680 :D  
IntelHD4000 is not really supported before 10.7.4 either.
GTX680 has partially support on 10.7.4

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for the hard drive i  might just end up getting 2 1tb drives ( One for windows and one for mac osx) . I don't really need a SSD . I don't really care about boot times and for the cost of a ssd it really isn't worth it . In the future i might buy a SSD when they are cheaper.
1x 2TB is cheaper than 2x1TB

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I like over kill :P   LoL
actually i chose that specific ram because the MOBO supports 1866MHz ram and i want 16gb because i might use the machine for more then just gaming (animation , video editing) .
Ram speed doesn't matter much

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Nah , don't have the cash . I think i will stick with the stock fan that comes with the processor till i can afford a better one :P
You waste money on mobo and ram, but cannot spend $25 on something that is gonna increase your speed a lot?

Get a sensible mobo that is well supported. Sabertooh is really only useful for 2-3x SLI /Xfire and heavy OC, you do neither.
Also GTx680 is not worth the money, GTX670 is a much better buy.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:40 PM

View Postcluthz, on 16 July 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

IntelHD4000 is not really supported before 10.7.4 either.

Its not supported , but it will at least get me trough the Process of installing SL and ML

View Postcluthz, on 16 July 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:


1x 2TB is cheaper than 2x1TB
where are you getting your prices from ?
Because at my local retailers 2 x 1tb is cheaper then  2 x 2tb .
2 x 1tb = $178
2 x 2tb = $238  

View Postcluthz, on 16 July 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Ram speed doesn't matter much
i know it doesn't matter much , but i want 16gb and at my local retailers 16gb ram (1600mhz or 1333mhz or 1866MHz) all cost around $120 . so i don't see why not just go for the 1866MHz.

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You waste money on mobo and ram, but cannot spend $25 on something that is gonna increase your speed a lot?
But who said i will need the after market cooler on day 1 . I can always buy it some other day :D

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Also GTx680 is not worth the money, GTX670 is a much better buy.
Huh , i will consider that . But 670 and 680 are  about the same price . Its like a $10 difference .

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:04 PM

View Postcluthz, on 16 July 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

IntelHD4000 is not really supported before 10.7.4 either.
Cluthz, I have two question for you... First question: How heck did Mac OS X 10.7.4 running on new MBP 2012 with Intel HD 4000? I think It's supported. I saw it in Apple Store and my friend's house. I wonder why Apple never write included on update software about Intel HD driver.

Last question: Tell me... Is Nvidia GTX285 1GB good? I was looking for old GTX.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:21 PM

View PostReboot, on 16 July 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

Cluthz, I have two question for you... First question: How heck did Mac OS X 10.7.4 running on new MBP 2012 with Intel HD 4000? I think It's supported. I saw it in Apple Store and my friend's house. I wonder why Apple never write included on update software about Intel HD driver.

Last question: Tell me... Is Nvidia GTX285 1GB good? I was looking for old GTX.



IntelHD4000 is not really supported before 10.7.4 either.


GTX285 is about 100% faster than a 6770M and about 80% faster than a 650M.
However GTX285 is not fully dx11, games like LA Noire and Saints Row 3 works fine on DX11, but in Metro 2033 you only get DX10, same with Deus EX:HR.

This is my exact card:
Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 GV-N285-1GH-B 1GB 512bit,
It's almost identical to the apple version, and works OOTB in both 10.6.6+ and 10.7.x

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:40 PM

D'oh!

All right, Thanks for info about GTX285. I'll like'd your post.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 05:22 PM

View Posthmtinc, on 16 July 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

where are you getting your prices from ?
Because at my local retailers 2 x 1tb is cheaper then  2 x 2tb .
2 x 1tb = $178
2 x 2tb = $238  

Cluthz was saying that 1 2TB HDD is cheaper than getting 2 1TB HDD's. NOT 2 2TB HDDS are cheaper than 2 1TB HDDS lol.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 05:37 PM

View PostDanIsTheMan, on 16 July 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

Cluthz was saying that 1 2TB HDD is cheaper than getting 2 1TB HDD's. NOT 2 2TB HDDS are cheaper than 2 1TB HDDS lol.
LOL :P   My mistake :D  

Just looked it up 2x1tb is actually cheaper at my local store then 1x2tb  :P

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:09 PM

View Posthmtinc, on 16 July 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

Just looked it up 2x1tb is actually cheaper at my local store then 1x2tb  :P
Oh, then they screw you over, anyways doesn't add up with the numbers you posted..

View Posthmtinc, on 16 July 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

Because at my local retailers 2 x 1tb is cheaper then  2 x 2tb .
2 x 1tb = $178
2 x 2tb = $238  

Huh , i will consider that . But 670 and 680 are  about the same price . Its like a $10 difference .
The GTX680 is $100 more expensive. That is also the case on the store you linked (399 vs 499)
How can 2x 1TB be less expensive when :
2 x 1tb = $178
2 x 2tb = $238 --> 1 x 2tb= $238/2 = $119

178 vs 119..


I dunno what you are doing, but your first build is very unbalanced, using a lot of money on "stupid" stuff, like putting in $100 extra on a mobo.

I used the prices from the store you linked, that way you save 60 on buying 1x2TB, 100 on GTX670 ,20 on RAM and 120 on mobo.
Thats $300, which is a big deal in virtually no different performance. Then you say your local store has some other prices, well let them rip you off.

And stop wasting time asking for help if you just are gonna ignore what we're saying to you and say that your local store has different prices. If the charge 10 for GTX680 over 670, well get the 680, but everywhere else the diff is 100...

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 03:03 PM

View Postcluthz, on 16 July 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

And stop wasting time asking for help if you just are gonna ignore what we're saying to you and say that your local store has different prices
Since when did i ask for Hardware help / money advice?
I just simply asked weather or not the parts that i may or may not use to build a custom pc are capable of running Mac OSX .
A simple yes or no is all i was looking for :P

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:46 PM

View Posthmtinc, on 17 July 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Since when did i ask for Hardware help / money advice?
I just simply asked weather or not the parts that i may or may not use to build a custom pc are capable of running Mac OSX .
A simple yes or no is all i was looking for :P
he wan't trying to be a lollypop, but yes mac osx would run on those parts to the best of my knowledge. But for a better experience you could listen to him

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Posted 23 July 2012 - 11:54 PM

since i have gotten intel now, will i be able to install a windows 7 partition using bootcamp?

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 12:05 AM

Uh, Boot Camp driver won't properly run on PC hardware... Boot Camp is designed for Mac hardware only. I told you.

Use Dual-Boot with your BIOS or iBoot. They can detect another hard drive or partition with bootable any OS.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 12:35 AM

this is all so confusing. I ordered the parts tho.

Btw, would i install mac os first. Then use dual boot or whatever, or do i have to do that with the install?

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:33 AM

To get both Windows and Macintosh OS on your rig, you can do the following:
  • Install Mac OSX first and then create a partition using disk utility and name it Windows
  • Use a boot-loader that can be installed on mac osx to boot up on your windows install disc
  • Format the hard drive partition named Windows (to NTFS format) and install windows OS on it
  • Once installation is complete, next time to boot up your system the Boot-loader will show both Mac OSX and Windows OS for you to boot into (its a bit like holding alt down on a macs startup)
You could also:
  • Install Windows in AHCI mode or change the registry of an existing Windows Partition to run in AHCI mode if you installed Windows OS in IDE mode in BIOS (which can be set to AHCI in your motherboards BIOS).
  • Partition the hard drive using some sort of windows application that can be found on the internet.
  • Install Mac OSX on the mac partition by formatting it to Mac OSX
  • Install the boot-loader using MultiBeast
  • Make sure your mac hard drive is set to be your primary hard drive (only need to do this if your using a seperate hard drive per OS) so that you can boot up through the bootloader on every startup.
Make sure if you have a hard drive with windows installed on it all ready that it has been installed in AHCI mode (and not IDE mode) or else when you set your bios to AHCI mode, Your windows will boot up and get the blue screen of death (i learned that the hard way...) but Cluthz helped me out and shared a quick tutorial with me on how to change my windows OS to boot up in AHCI mode by changing a few things in registry.

#179 Siwi

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 01:41 AM

View PostDanIsTheMan, on 24 July 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

To get both Windows and Macintosh OS on your rig, you can do the following:
  • Install Mac OSX first and then create a partition using disk utility and name it Windows
  • Use a boot-loader that can be installed on mac osx to boot up on your windows install disc
  • Format the hard drive partition named Windows (to NTFS format) and install windows OS on it
  • Once installation is complete, next time to boot up your system the Boot-loader will show both Mac OSX and Windows OS for you to boot into (its a bit like holding alt down on a macs startup)
You could also:
  • Install Windows in AHCI mode or change the registry of an existing Windows Partition to run in AHCI mode if you installed Windows OS in IDE mode in BIOS (which can be set to AHCI in your motherboards BIOS).
  • Partition the hard drive using some sort of windows application that can be found on the internet.
  • Install Mac OSX on the mac partition by formatting it to Mac OSX
  • Install the boot-loader using MultiBeast
  • Make sure your mac hard drive is set to be your primary hard drive (only need to do this if your using a seperate hard drive per OS) so that you can boot up through the bootloader on every startup.
Make sure if you have a hard drive with windows installed on it all ready that it has been installed in AHCI mode (and not IDE mode) or else when you set your bios to AHCI mode, Your windows will boot up and get the blue screen of death (i learned that the hard way...) but Cluthz helped me out and shared a quick tutorial with me on how to change my windows OS to boot up in AHCI mode by changing a few things in registry.

Ok cool thanks dan. It looks like option 1 will be the easiest for me, since i know how to do that. Will boot loader create a custom menu upon startup where you select the partition you want?
And im thinking that perhaps for now, ill drop $30 for lion even though mountain lion is right around the corner, it will be buggy at best. It looks like i wont have to pay for mountain lion either, because my dad wants it too. But, lion works now, and there is plenty of support for lion, so i think for learning purposes ill get lion.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 02:06 AM

Yes, the bootloader is a custom menu that looks something like this (different bootloader themes can be easily downloaded):


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There isnt much point getting Mountiain Lion unless you drasticly need it to use something. The only reason i'm using OSX Lion and not 10.6.8 is because my graphics card's drivers/kexts only seem to work on 10.7.2+. I prefer 10.6 to 10.7 but the fact that i needed my GTX 570 to work properly made me have to revert to osx lion. I must say though, I haven't encountered any problems with OSX lion on my system so far apart from some applications such as wine/wineskin seem to use absurd amounts of CPU when doing simple things such as installing a game in wineskin (on a i7 2600k @ 4.58GHz).


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